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Skoda Octavia Octavia fuel injection problem

2008 Skoda Octavia Problem

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Can anyone shed any light on our problem, please. Skoda Octavia Estate 2008, engine no BKD 881718, which is the 2.Otdi 140, 67k miles. It started as a slight misfire at just above 2000rpm, then developed to being that from above 2000rpm the car would accelerate even if the throttle was held steady, then abruptly cut out and cut back in again. If driven gently at below 200rpm all was fine, although the idle was at times rough.

Took it to the local Skoda dealer, who say they found suspected contaminated fuel which they drained,fitted new fuel filter, but then found uneven injector pressures. Two injectors replaced, problem persisted, then the remaining two injectors also replaced on Skoda UK advice. This has cured the rough idle, but the revs still badly above 2000rpm. Dealer and Skoda UK now seem at a loss as to what to do next - stripping out ot Dual Mass Clutch has been suggested, also a compression test, or aturbo problem Must say I cannot see how any of these would result in the abrubt cutting out of the engine - its like driving into a wall.

ECU not reporting any faults, but could a faulty sensor somewhere be the cause ? All suggestions welcome !

Thanks, Colin.

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CarSkoda Octavia Estate 2.0tdi
Year2008
OwnerColin Burtt
Posted14/03/2013


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paulieone | Driver | Since: Aug 2009 Posts: 4 | Fixes: 1211 | View Profile/Car
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Has the egr valve been checked out?


Posted on Thursday 14th of March 2013
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Solution 2

whittingehame | Legend | Since: Oct 2009 Posts: 443 | Fixes: 8908 | View Profile/Car
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With the Dealer and Skoda UK not been able to fix it , hard to suggest an answer as they should have covered more or less everything .


Posted on Thursday 14th of March 2013
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Solution 3

noelknowall | Driver | Since: Feb 2013 Posts: 0 | Fixes: 15 | View Profile/Car
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SOUND LIKE ACCELERATOR SENSOR OR INJECTOR PUMP?


Posted on Friday 15th of March 2013
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Solution 4

bustedknuckles | Driver | Since: Nov 2011 Posts: 1 | Fixes: 1436 | View Profile/Car
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If your flywheel has deteriorated to such a level that it,s knocking this can cause rough idle as that knock is picked up by the knock sensors located on the engine block which causes the e.c.m. To retard the timing therefore the engine rough effect.compression test would be a first basic check also,turbo issue can cause a total shut down of injectors if the turbo is in a over boost state I.e. the car goes really well then it,s like some ones stamped on the brakes .The best way to prove any of these theories is to link up an oscilloscope and get some one to drive the vehicle in order to capture the data.From your description it does sound like a turbo over boost scenario where the vanes are sticking or fractured causing an over boost and therefore shutdown to protect engine from damage,but only testing will prove it.


Posted on Friday 15th of March 2013
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Colin Burtt | Driver | Since: Mar 2013 Posts: 0 | Fixes: 1 | View Profile/Car
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Thanks to those who replied. Yesterday I drove the car after the four injectors had been changed - tank empty so first drove the car from a cold start from the dealer to a filling station - still a rough idle and misfire/cut-outs over 2000rpm. Brimmed the tank with clean fuel, started up, smooth idle, and then drove a fast 5 miles over a twisty road, up and down the rev.range - car like new again. Thought I'd cracked it.

Then turned round to go back to the dealers - rough idle returns, along with the misfire,cutting out, and occasional violent over-revving when foot is off the throttle when changing gear. Back to the drawing board .....

Thanks to BustedKnuckles for the sticking turbo vanes suggestion - but would it also cause the soaring over-revving ?

Dealer trying their best but mystified. Skoda UK not really interested - I was thinking of buying a Yeti, but they can now forget that.

Colin.




Posted on Saturday 16th of March 2013
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turbo-vanes.com | Driver | Since: Sep 2013 Posts: 0 | Fixes: 2 | View Profile/Car
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hi colin

i have seen this quite a few times

i agree with bustedknuckles about the possibility of the turbo vanes sticking . if the turbo vanes are stuck in the full boost position this will cause the turbo to over boost and the car goes in to limp mode .by going in to limpmode the engine rev's will drop to stop any engine or turbo from damage .
this has probably been caused by either faulty injectors ( which you have now changed ) faulty egr valve ( sticking ) or oil in the intercooler , so you need to clean and pressure test the intercooler and clean / replace or blank your egr valve .this will make sure it will not happen again .
ps: there should be no oil in the intercooler ( at worst a little vapour / mist of oil ) when the intercooler has enough oil in it that the turbo pressure can force it out of the intercooler and in to the inlet manifold , then on top of the piston , the engine can RUN ON its own oil (cause engine revs to go up on its own )
if when all this is done you still get the same or similar problem , then you are left with the turbo ( turbo vanes sticking ). most turbo company's now offer a repair or fully remanufactured service,
so you might get away with just changing the turbo vanes ( vnt ring ).

1/ check oil in inter cooler
2/ check egr valve
2/ check turbo / turbo vanes

hope this helps if you need any more info let me know

thank you
turbo-vanes.com

yes i have got a turbo business but its not open yet !






Posted on Tuesday 17th of September 2013
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Solution 6

turbo-vanes.com | Driver | Since: Sep 2013 Posts: 0 | Fixes: 2 | View Profile/Car
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hi

if you would like more information check out
our website http://turbo-vanes.com/

thank you



Posted on Tuesday 24th of September 2013
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Colin Burtt | Driver | Since: Mar 2013 Posts: 0 | Fixes: 1 | View Profile/Car
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Eventually we have the car back on the road - thanks to Tim at AVW in Caernarfon. His initial thoughts were that the ECU might be faulty - sent away for testing, and came back 'no faults'. So he persisted with the fuel system, including replacing the supply pump which was a little low on pressure. Still no change. So we sent the ECU away again to another tester, ands again it came back 'no faults' . Tim wasn't convinced, so he shelled out on a 6k machine which allows him amongst other things to switch ECU's between cars - the immobilisers prevent this being possible without being able to temporarily re-programme the ECU. Then he had to wait until he found a car with an identical ECU - with the customers permission he switched ECU's between the cars, and hey presto - the fault transferred between cars with the ECU. So, we ditched the old ECU and replaced with a used 400 one - new ECU price would have been 1350. Car now back in good health, - thanks to Tim and his team.



Posted on Tuesday 25th of March 2014
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